One quick observation…
Last post 08-21-2003, 9:19 PM by KGBMan. 68 replies.
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Alesha
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Originally posted by TAP3AH:
My second problem is with the fact that by hating (yes, I’ve met quite a few who say they hate it) this country and its people they still come here and benefit from it (I think it is normally called hypocrisy).
And last point… Polite guest whenever he/she comes to your house will not criticize your furniture or choice of window treatments (polite guest and not а жлоб).
Tarzan, you shifted accents. See in your very first post you mentioned you didn't like people critisizing the new destination. Now you are saying about those hating it. Quite a bit difference, isn't it? By the way anyone living in any country benefits from it.
Regarding your last point: although your comparison seems logical it is not completely precise because when you are a guest you are being guided by the same etiquette as in any other situation. If you are a "guest" in another country you get to an entirely new environment: new culture, new mentality, new laws, and who can predict beforehand whether you will be comfortable with all of that? Some people just can't adopt to the new conditions. Why do you hate them for this? And who can actually say what would be enough time to "learn enough about country "? It is also very individual.
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Alesha
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Originally posted by TAP3AH:
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Originally posted by Alesha:
Some people just can't adopt to the new conditions. Why do you hate them for this?
Unfortunately, I don’t have time to answer all of your questions (they are not related to my post, because in my post I was expressing my feeling about some fact and not starting a discussion).
Here is a quick reply - no, I think you are the one who is trying to “shift the accent” - I never said that I hate those ____ (fill the blank), I said that “it pisses me off” - see the difference? Furthermore, if guest as you say can’t adapt to new conditions, he/she can always leave and the end of story…
Ok, here is my quick reply. If something "pisses you off" your feelings are very close to hatred (at least for a short moment of the emotional explosion). And no, very often "guests" can not leave due to circumstances beyond their control. Additionally, two emigrations can be too much for most people.
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gtSasha
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People who haven’t lived in this country enough to learn about its people and their cultures can’t have intelligent opinion and therefore, should just shut up. I do think that nothing is wrong with healthy and productive criticism but only after one will learn enough about country (doesn’t meter A, B, or C).
How much is enough? Does it come after a certain time perioud or there is an exam one should take? :)
People complain about this country because that's where they live (permanently or temporary) and that's what they see. People always complain, no matter where they are at. The fact that they would be worse off somewhere else is irrelevant. There is no such thing as "good enough life", just like there is no such thing as "enough money".
Obviously, it is impolite to say things like "...all Americans are dumb in math...", this is an unfair generalization. The reason (but not an excuse) people are saying this is because many of those who come here to study are very good in what they do. Many people who emigrate here and have good education end up working below their qualification and their co-workers seem to them as less competent. However, as the newcomer learns English and finds a job at his or her level they see that their new co-workers are very competent and not "dumb". Once again, just because you have to work with someone who does not know as much as you do about something is no reason to say things like "stupid Americans" or "programmer-monkeys from India", etc.
To be fair I must add that I've met a few immigrants who criticize their own country all the time. Actually "criticize" is a wrong word here, they figuratively wipe their feet on it. Obviously their former motherland is not as good as their present one, otherwise they would not have moved, but this is no reason to mock it.
The point I am trying to make is that I don't think you can be a "guest" in a country unless you are there on vacation. We are all responsible for the place where we live, even if we are only here temporarily. It is easy and feels good to say: "... Americans don't know math...", or "... 77 percent of Russians are irresponsible...", or "... 49 percent of ______ people want to live off others...". However, things like that only show that the person saying them just does not care about anything.
If one of your classmates does not understand the class material it would be much more useful to help explain it to him or her, rather then to say "all Italians are like that".
Same goes for the people who joyfully scream on every corner that their place of birth is a piece of ****. It is especially frustrating to hear this from pelple who had left for economic reasons rather than because they were in any physical danger. To them I say: you lived there, you worked there, you helped make it what it is. Obviously it is not any single person's fault that things in Russia, or somewhere are what they are, but this is definitely nothing to be proud of.
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