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Little Brother by Cory Doctorow

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  •  02-10-2010, 9:51 AM 195951 in reply to 195947

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    Re: Little Brother by Cory Doctorow

    Leah:

    412:
    I believe it is not limited to the US, it's a global tendency, and it is unavoidable.  At least considering status quo.

    What would have to change to make it avoidable?

    Change status quo? ;)

    But majority wouldn't like that, including myself.


  •  02-10-2010, 10:08 AM 195952 in reply to 195950

    Re: Little Brother by Cory Doctorow

    I agree w KGBman that things are not changing that drastcly in terms of civil liberties, there is just more information about it.  If anything, the governemnt can get away with less infringement now than ever before in this nation, because their actions are under a magnifying glass.  I disagree though, that this information overload is a negative development for "civilization".  People think this is important - all the better.  It is.

    My concerns about the future of this nation stem more from our economic policies, education, social fabric breakdown/demographic issues, etc.

    A case can be made (and I've heard attempts, mainly on conservative talk radio) that these things can be pigeonholed as longer-term violations of civil liberities in themselves.  If this approach works, this is what gets people interested, fine.

    But as far as my personal freedom/immunity from things Leah listed, an individual American is more protected now than they would have been in the 1970s.  And more in the 70s than in the 50s.  And so forth.  Proportional to information availability and evolution of mass media.


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  •  02-10-2010, 10:37 AM 195953 in reply to 195952

    Re: Little Brother by Cory Doctorow


    Egor, KGBMan (and probably II once he responds),

    I'll get examples and post them later today or tomorrow. I don't have the exact wording and references memorized. I just don't want to do it at this moment since I'm in my happy place and reading that stuff makes me want to leave the country or dig escape tunnels.

    Unless you're saying those things have been gone for years, in which case, why redundantly take them away again post 9/11?


     

  •  02-10-2010, 10:41 AM 195954 in reply to 195952

    Re: Little Brother by Cory Doctorow

    Egor:

    My concerns about the future of this nation stem more from our economic policies, education, social fabric breakdown/demographic issues, etc.

    A case can be made (and I've heard attempts, mainly on conservative talk radio) that these things can be pigeonholed as longer-term violations of civil liberities in themselves.  If this approach works, this is what gets people interested, fine.


    I've been in my own little bubble for a while now, so I don't think I can even intelligently discuss economic policies at the moment.

    I do agree that public education in this country is a joke. It has been for a long time, and is getting worse. We are a country of morons.

    Could you clarify what you mean by social fabric breakdown/demographic issues?

     

  •  02-10-2010, 10:47 AM 195955 in reply to 195949

    Re: Little Brother by Cory Doctorow

    KGBMan:

    an example when one book has changed something important in a society..... like bible did once....

     

    If the bible is the benchmark, I don't know that I can come up with one that has had that much impact for good or bad. On a smaller scale, there are plenty.

  •  02-12-2010, 11:21 AM 195962 in reply to 195955

    Re: Little Brother by Cory Doctorow

    Egor - people don't think  !!!  that's how Bush or Obama got elected. mass media think for people, either int he form of Rush or CNN or whatever...

    illusion of more opennes and "magnifying glass" on government is only an illusion.

    personal privacy is an illusion as well, not since electronics revolution....  everything get's logged, everything is recorded.

    Nothing prevents people who really need something to find everything they need or want about any of us.

    Only off the grid can a persons privacy be complete.

     

    Leah:
    KGBMan:

    an example when one book has changed something important in a society..... like bible did once....

     

    If the bible is the benchmark, I don't know that I can come up with one that has had that much impact for good or bad. On a smaller scale, there are plenty.

    well, there are many - Capital,  Adam Smith stuff, Freud ...  but as you look at last 20-30 years , nothing.


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