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Originally posted by DEVUSHKA: — Теперь уже известно — отличительной чертой человека от всего растущего и живущего на земле является способность мыслить. Но мысль, пусть и в зачаточном состоянии, есть и у животных, и у растений. Человек превосходит всех остальных по скорости мышления. Изначально скорость мысли человека была наиболее приближена к скорости мысли Бога и при определённом образе жизни могла увеличиться и превзойти Божественную. По крайней мере, так хотел наш Родитель. Если бы скорость мысли человека достигла Божественной, то человек мог бы творить живой гармоничный мир на других планетах.

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Слушай, а чё ты куришь? Я тоже хочу! ПЛЗ поделись!!! “The more things change, the more they stay the same...” (Machiavelli)

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Originally posted by TAP3AH: Hey guys, did you hear about process of extinction of the species? This is what eventually happens with homosexual animals… Also, Pomidorchik, there is a difference between “lipstick lesbians” and “dykes” “The more things change, the more they stay the same...” (Machiavelli)

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da, estestvenniy otbor. U ludei eto v toi ili inoi mere, no po prezhnemu silniy process. Tut dva varianta: libo ostavit' vse kak est' i dat' prirode vse reshit' samoi. Libo regulirovat' (gramotno).

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Originally posted by pomidorchik: TARZAN: what's the difference?:-)

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Well… Let me just say that you wouldn't mind watching lipstick lesbians… “The more things change, the more they stay the same...” (Machiavelli)

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- Tho what you see is the union of a man and a woman in your narrow marriage definition, the PURPOSE of any marriage is to raise a family, and the purpose is more important when defining the marriage, because the policies applied to it, at the end of the day, will influence society as a whole, and that is why I find YOUR definition useless. Gay couples that are doing us a favour of raising kids that are adopted should have the same benefits than a straight couple. - Right, the paedophilia kings want to tell society that there should be no gay union, no condoms and whoever does not abide will "burn in hell"? - Oh yes a prefer Clinton morals any day; a bj in the oval office is nothing compared to the killings in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the impoverishment of the middle and lower class through his tax breaks. Maybe that is what made Clinton smart. [/quote] - You are contradicting yourself - if definitions are irrelevant then why are you trying to define the purpose of the family? - Number one institution of pedophilia cases? I thought Michael Jackson had that spot? Nobody is trying to impose their morals on you - all they are trying to do is to preserve the tradition that survived many homosexual periods in human history. - What about Bush’s morals? Do you prefer Clinton’s morals? - Мойша, а ви знаете - Сема таки педераст! - Шо, он занял деньги и не отдает? - Не-ет, в хорошем смысле... “The more things change, the more they stay the same...” (Machiavelli) [/quote]

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-since you are into sheep fucking, I dunno about your kids, at least they might come out smarter than u. -the relevance of the catholic church and bush is due to the fact that it is them who are against gay marriage (the articles u supposedly read) and - yes, it is exactly because bush and the catholic church are immoral and hypocritical that they shouldnt be the ones establishing morals, especially because they have some much influence in society, - in regards to the tree, that's you business... - "this is how it is meant to be", what if it doesnt happen? what if you or your wife is esterile, what if you find out, later in your life that you prefer men, what if it NOT meant to be?

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Originally posted by tanja: - isn't ironic that the catholic church, the #1 institution in paedophilia cases, wants to impose its morals in society? wouldn't it make you think twice about whatever they say?

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what does church have to do with this? i am not catholic and i certainly do not support catholicism. but that's beside the point. how is this relevant here?

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- how about Bush's moral's?

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so let me get this right - because bush is supposedly immoral, therefore gays should get married? you use stupid arguments for your case.

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- II, if you would like to be have a tree, a stuffed animal or a sheep inside you, nobody cares (and thank god, there are no more sodomy laws for you).

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let me be the first to inform you that if i were to marry a tree, i'd be the one doing the fucking.

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If you happen to get married, be faithful

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of course - there's no other way.

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and raise some adopted kids

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i'd like to have my own if i ever have any. i don't need to adopt because i have a penis and i'll be having sex by inserting my penis into a vagina, and at some point my wonderful wife will get pregnant. this is how it is meant to be. "A sure cure for seasickness is to sit under a tree." -Spike Milligan II

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-well, pick and choose: because the other specie wont give a damn about your kids, wont help them in anyway in their growth, education or help you foster a proper environment for them, they cannot look after your kids, and they dont receive social security, they dont vote for their rights, they do not participate in society at all, they cannot exercise any judgement and they are not liable if they are bad to your kids, they will also not sue you in case of divorce, I mean are u really that stupid? -gay guys never get aroused watching good looking lesbians make out...

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Originally posted by pomidorchik:come on II, don't be silly. we are talking about SAME SPECIES here

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So? what's wrong with me marrying someone from another species? why is this silly? can you offer me a reasonable argument? If two men can marry and have a family together and you feel it is ok for them to raise children then please tell me why i cannot marry something from another species.

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that's why we like watching lesbians play.. the cute ones..

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pomidorchik, we don't 'all' like to watch lesbians play. I don't like it and there are many other men that don't. I don't take pleasure in any form of homosexual activity, be it with men or women. "A sure cure for seasickness is to sit under a tree." -Spike Milligan II

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Мляха муха, ахреноветь што тут творится... И все о гомосеках. Танюха агрессивна и горяча. Канадская наверно, как моя зазноба из далекого Таронта. В лесу раздавался топор дровосека Им дровосек Отгонял гомосека. Силы ослабли Устал дровосек - Им без труда овладел гомосек.

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мнда... ругань и мат через каждые два слова...

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It's about love. Let people love whom they want to. No one should have to hide their love in shame. Tarzan.... total conservative hypocrisy. You guys don't want big gov to interfere with your profits & that's it. Otherwise you expect us all to put up with YOUR morals... I pay for the gov also & our morals are very different. I say let gay people get married & let's cut out the war bs. I will projectile vomit ala the exorcist if bush & co do something as obscene as try to alter the constitution on this one. Though since the Patriot Acts have already shredded the bill of rights it might be easier. Marriage is not just about taxes. It's about insurance & other laws like if one person in a gay couple ends up disabled...that person's wife or husband can make decisions to take care of them at the hospital. I read an article about a lesbian couple that that happened to. One woman became severely disabled & since she wasn't technically married to her wife & the wife couldn't see her anymore because her selfish narrow-minded, self-righteous parents stuck her in an asylum to get her away from her. It was terrible because the non-hurt wife was a physical therapist & the woman could have gotten much better in her care. And what about gay immigrants....like gay Russians for example.... They can't marry their American boy/girlfriend so they get separated..... Any love is good love. Let it flow.... Anais "For me, the adventures of the mind, each inflection of thought, each movement, nuance, discovery is an immense source of exhilaration." Anais Nin, 1934

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Originally posted by tanja: -since you are into sheep fucking, I dunno about your kids, at least they might come out smarter than u.

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I see that you are quite a simpleton :) Let me be the first to inform you that a human and a sheep cannot produce offspring just like two homos can't. You sure do know very little, don't you?

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the relevance of the catholic church and bush is due to the fact that it is them who are against gay marriage (the articles u supposedly read) and - yes, it is exactly because bush and the catholic church are immoral and hypocritical that they shouldnt be the ones establishing morals, especially because they have some much influence in society

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there is no relevance in the catholic church in this argument. I say gay marriage is not right and you say it is - If I would have used the catholic church to support my arguments, then it would have been reasonable for you to slander the church and attempt to destroy my arguments. but since i never used the catholic church to support any of my arguments, and since no one else used the catholic church as an argument, the catholic church becomes irrelavant at this point because it has nothing to do with this, just like Ricky Balzano who lives in Venice, Italy and who also agrees with me - but has nothing to do with this argument. Or are you going to now write a 2 page post about how immoral balzano himself is? I know i am taking a very long time to explain this, but since my last explanation didn't work, i am very carefully trying to explain it again. sometimes with stupid people you just have to talk r e a l s l o w a n d m a k e s u r e t h ey u n d e r s t a n d y o u c l e a r l y.

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- in regards to the tree, that's you business...

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ladies and gentlemen, let's all give her a hand - she TOTALLY slammed my tree argument...DAMN YOU ARE GOOD!

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- "this is how it is meant to be", what if it doesnt happen? what if you or your wife is esterile, what if you find out, later in your life that you prefer men, what if it NOT meant to be?

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if later in life i find out that i have homo feelings, this does not mean that i will become a homo, just like there are people in this world who may 'want' to rape a woman but restrain themselves - because they know it is wrong. i'm sure there are plenty of people who have looked at an animal and wanted to have sex with it but said to themselves, "damn...what the fuck is wrong with me...i am sick...i will not give in to my weakness" the only difference between these examples is the number of people lobbying for the normalization of these things. if suddenly 25% of our population started lobbying to marry animals, eventually even that would become 'normal' and 'accepted' in our society. As Joseph Farah wrote: A spokeswoman for the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation recently said morality is simply a matter for the public to decide through politics. Asked why polygamists are still getting a tough battle in the courts, she said it is simply because there are not enough polygamists and they are not sufficiently organized to make their case. She's right. And just as Justice Antonin Scalia predicted in his dissent, you can bank on polygamists organizing around the same legal language employed by the homosexual activists. You can bank on incest practitioners organizing along these lines. You can bank on those who want to see reductions in the age of consent organizing along these lines. You can even bank on those who are into bestiality organizing along these lines. It's coming. That's the future. Just watch the news. That's how America decides what is right and wrong today – based on public-opinion polls and the clout of narrow, special-interest groups. "A sure cure for seasickness is to sit under a tree." -Spike Milligan II

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do as I say dont do as I do weakens any argument. What if Ricky Balzano likes to say that he hates gays and gay marriage, but at the same time, every night he's back to Georgia, he sneaks into your room for some action and proposes to you, doesn't that kills his opinion?

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Originally posted by tanja: do as I say dont do as I do weakens any argument. What if Ricky Balzano likes to say that he hates gays and gay marriage, but at the same time, every night he's back to Georgia, he sneaks into your room for some action and proposes to you, doesn't that kills his opinion?

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yes it does kill his opinion but since i never used his opinion to back up my own arguments, it doesn't matter what his opinion is or what he does. he is irrelevant. likewise, let's say i find some guy who supports your argument - but this guy, in his spare time, rapes little children....will i say "see, you are wrong because look at that guy, he - like you - wants gays to marry but he rapes young children, therefore you are wrong" ? no, i will not say that because that guy is irrelevant to our argument, despite the fact that both of you happen to have a similar opinion on the issue at hand. likewise, just because the catholic church or george bush agree with me, does not mean anything. i have had my opinion on this issue long before i believed in God and long before I even knew who george bush was. and while we are on the issue - i am a christian by belief but i am very opposed to catholicism...i agree with you that they are a bunch of hyprocites and they have a long history of antisemitism, which i do not look upon kindly. in my opinion they have buchered the true words of yeshua. "A sure cure for seasickness is to sit under a tree." -Spike Milligan II

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II, that Tanja-character is about to put on belt with explosives and go to Afghanistan or Iraq to defend gay marriage and express her hate for man who is protecting her right to exist (Tanja, I am talking about President Bush). For some reason every word she writes is full of hate and venom so unfortunately anything we say to her is totally useless… Anais, I agree that any love is good love if it is not illegal. I also agree that gay couples as members of our society should be protected. What I disagree with is for them to be able to call their unions a marriage. In one of my previous posts I suggested that we create a separate definition for gay couples and protect them in the way it applies to their particular situation. “The more things change, the more they stay the same...” (Machiavelli)

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hahaha, Christianity is one of the worst religions (does not condemn slavery (1 Peter 2:18-21), gives rules for warfare (Deuteronomy 21:10-14), commands its followers to kill people who try to turn them from God (Deuteronomy 13:10), considers women as being worth less than men (Ephesians 5:22-24), banishes people of all other religions to Hell, even the ones who have never heard of Christianity or children who can't understand the concept of salvation, and states that God's chosen people, largely Jewish, are going to Hell for not believing in Jesus…endless list of rubbish) not to mention the array of contradictions and inaccuracies that the Bible contains allowing anyone to justify or oppose what is deemed right or wrong. u had to be christian... TAP3 and II you are as bad as the Taliban, it just so happens that you are in America's side. Are you sure you two are of russian descent? there's definetely some Afghan traits in your arguments... Oh! I am not the one hating the idea of gay marriage.

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Originally posted by tanja: hahaha, Christianity is one of the worst religions (does not condemn slavery (1 Peter 2:18-21), gives rules for warfare (Deuteronomy 21:10-14), commands its followers to kill people who try to turn them from God (Deuteronomy 13:10), considers women as being worth less than men (Ephesians 5:22-24), banishes people of all other religions to Hell, even the ones who have never heard of Christianity or children who can't understand the concept of salvation, and states that God's chosen people, largely Jewish, are going to Hell for not believing in Jesus…endless list of rubbish) not to mention the array of contradictions and inaccuracies that the Bible contains allowing anyone to justify or oppose what is deemed right or wrong. u had to be christian... TAP3 and II you are as bad as the Taliban, it just so happens that you are in America's side. Are you sure you two are of russian descent? there's definetely some Afghan traits in your arguments... Oh! I am not the one hating the idea of gay marriage.

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Tanja, you scare me. But you are right. So brave!

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