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Should gay judge have ruled on Prop. 8?

Last post 08-10-2010, 2:49 AM by gtSasha. 11 replies.
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  •  08-06-2010, 9:57 AM 196552

    Should gay judge have ruled on Prop. 8?

    SACRAMENTO, CA - As the parties and rallies begin to wind down after what the gay and *** community called a victory Wednesday in the battle against a same-sex marriage ban in California, several debates were already beginning.

    One centered around whether federal Judge Vaughn Walker, an openly gay man, was able to remain unbiased when he decided to overturn the California voter passed Proposition 8.

    "The judge's ruling is not worth the paper that it's printed on," said Randy Thomasson outside the State Capitol on Wednesday.  Thomasson, who has been fighting to keep marriage between a man and woman for years, accused Walker of pushing his own agenda.

    "He (Walker) loaded up biased questions. He dealt with feelings. He tossed around the word discrimination. He didn't deal with what the Constitution said. He dealt with what some liberal judges, his friends of his, said," Thomasson said.

    Many of those against Prop 8 completely disagree.

    "It's about same-sex marrage and judges are appointed to be non-partisan when it comes to things like that. They are im-partial. That is what they do," said Wendy Rae Hill, executive director of the Sacramento Gay and *** Center. "He actually made adjudication on each and every witness and on their credibility, on the evidence that was presented. He did exactly what any judge should do," she said.

    Some who have remained neutral on the issue have spoken out against questioning Walker's motive.

    "No one would possibly raise this issue regarding a heterosexual judge suggesting a heterosexual judge brings a bias and couldn't rule. No one would ever raise that issue, right?" McGeorge law professor Larry Levine said.

    Levine said Walker gave advocates of Prop 8 plenty of opportunities to defend their stance and provide evidence of how same-sex marriage hurts society.  Levine said in Walker's ruling, the judge said they couldn't make the negative effects clear.

    To take it a step further, Levine said accusing a federal judge of bias is offensive and could begin a slippery slope.

    "That would apply to judges of color. That would apply to judge's who have a religion outside the predominant religion in the country," he said. "We just can't allow that to happen."

    Of course, all sides concede that in the long run,  the argument will most likely be moot.  Appeals have already been filed and the Prop 8 challenge will likely move to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and potentially to the United States Supreme Court.



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  •  08-06-2010, 9:59 AM 196553 in reply to 196552

    Re: Should gay judge have ruled on Prop. 8?

    Seems like a conflict of interest to me. So let's have black judges decide all "black" cases, etc? Still think gay lifestyle is a perversion.

    PS. Got a chuckle out of forum blocking the word "l.e.s.b.i.a.n"



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    ~War is Peace~Freedom is Slavery~Ignorance is Strength~ George Orwell "1984"


  •  08-06-2010, 10:28 AM 196554 in reply to 196553

    Re: Should gay judge have ruled on Prop. 8?

    Doesn't a heterosexual judge carry the same liability in the other direction? 

    Also, can white judges decide "white" cases, Anton?

    How about cases of white vs black?  

    I just want to see in writing, the policy on judges that you are proposing Big Smile

     

     

     


    "The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Margaret Thatcher
  •  08-06-2010, 10:41 AM 196556 in reply to 196554

    Re: Should gay judge have ruled on Prop. 8?

    Lol, do you have your own opinion, or do you just collect other people's?

    Sic semper tyrannis
    ~War is Peace~Freedom is Slavery~Ignorance is Strength~ George Orwell "1984"


  •  08-06-2010, 10:54 AM 196558 in reply to 196556

    Re: Should gay judge have ruled on Prop. 8?

    Mine is well known to everyone on this forum, and complete with diagnoses, suggested solutions, and realistic methods of achieving it.

    Yours are partial.  You point out a problem, but avoid having to come up with a solution. Or you have a solution, but oppose methods of achieving it.  My questions to you are generally to fill these gaps.  I genuenly am interested in your reasoning, believe it or not I am rather fascinated by it Big Smile 


    "The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Margaret Thatcher
  •  08-06-2010, 12:28 PM 196566 in reply to 196554

    Re: Should gay judge have ruled on Prop. 8?

    Egor:

    How about cases of white vs black?   

     

    that's easy. a chinese dude should decide those. 

  •  08-06-2010, 12:48 PM 196567 in reply to 196566

    Re: Should gay judge have ruled on Prop. 8?

    and if one of the sides is gay, the chineese dude should be bisexual.
    "The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Margaret Thatcher
  •  08-06-2010, 1:19 PM 196570 in reply to 196567

    Re: Should gay judge have ruled on Prop. 8?

    no, bisexual will side with gays. 

    i think gay cases should be decided by a postmenopausal female... or by a coin flip.. performed by a monkey.. who is postmenopausal... 

  •  08-06-2010, 1:20 PM 196571 in reply to 196567

    Re: Should gay judge have ruled on Prop. 8?

    No, African American she-male transvestite with Human Sexuality degree from Harvard.

    Sic semper tyrannis
    ~War is Peace~Freedom is Slavery~Ignorance is Strength~ George Orwell "1984"


  •  08-06-2010, 3:58 PM 196584 in reply to 196571

    Re: Should gay judge have ruled on Prop. 8?

    a transvestite would side with gays too!:-)
  •  08-07-2010, 2:36 AM 196590 in reply to 196552

    Re: Should gay judge have ruled on Prop. 8?

    This is really just another non-issue.  If you type "Judge Vaughn Walker" into Google you will quickly learn that this judge is actually fairly conservative, he is/was active in Republican politics.  In fact, he was first nominated by Ronald Reagan, but his nomination was opposed by the Democrats.  He was finally confirmed when appointed by George H. Bush.  

    You can also google "Perry v. Schwarzenegger" to learn about the details of the case.  The defendants simply did not prove their case (don't know if they could even).  

    However, I am glad that some people, like our own Nathan Deal here in Georgia, don't have more important things to worry about.  Here is his commercial:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHWQoKl_Yj8

    Discussing his differences with Karen Handel he talks about how she allowed "tax payer dollars" to go to two gay groups.  Not, how to deal with unemployment, traffic jams, emptying lake Lanier...  Gay people want to get married...  Big deal.  What is the problem?   I think I'll end up voting for Roy Barnes...

     


    Sasha

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    Too many people debate as if the point is to show who is smarter, rather than which conclusion is correct.
  •  08-10-2010, 2:49 AM 196609 in reply to 196552

    Re: Should gay judge have ruled on Prop. 8?

    In case anyone is interested here is the text of the ruling:

     http://www.scribd.com/doc/35374462/Prop-8-Ruling-FINAL

     


    Sasha

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    Too many people debate as if the point is to show who is smarter, rather than which conclusion is correct.
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